WA, we need to get with the program!
we are purchasing a Mobil home in Either franklin or benton cvounty in Wa we are seniors the mobile home is new what are the incentives for us to install solar power
Do you honestly think that solar needs to be propped up the way coal and nukes have been? We are in the energy mess we are in because of poorly though out subsidies (to coal, oil, nukes,and natural gas, and ethenol. Why not fight against wasteful subsidies, instead of trying to create yet another subsidy dependent pig at the trough? The Carter solar hot water subsidies created a bunch of tax shelter systems, and the industry went broke when, they were eliminated. You really want history to repeat itself????…..lets try a bit more creative thinking, directed toward local sustainablility, local jobs, and money staying in your communites. Right now the Federal, and most state incentives, promote installation by out of state carpetbaggers, poorly designed systems that underproduce, and move rate payer money directly to china, where “clean” energy solar is manufactured by coal fired electricity and shipped half way around the world by tankers driven by bunker fuel. Typical large scale PV systems are financed thru operations like Goldman-Sachs… not exactly keeping the money local.
There is an organization in Washington Sate that brokers Green Tag’s or REC’s for Washington based solar systems. The Green Tag Foundation (GTF) is paying .20 cents/kwh for green tag’s. That is well above what Bonneville Environmental Fund (BEF) is paying. GTF offers five year agreements for tax free cash on production of REC’s. email: greentagfoundation@gmail.com
Hello,
Our company designs and manufactures electrical control systems and control panels. We are a UL listed manufacturer and are very interested in teaming up with “green” technology companies and keeping the money in the US. Let me know if we can be of any assistance to further your vision.
Thanks for all you are doing to educate, legislate and get people talking. I am just starting to learn about solar and am thankful to have found your site. I will recommend it to others asking.
I would like to have you on our links page, let me know.
Heidi,
Thanks for your thanks! That means a lot to us. Of course, we’d love a link from you.
Cheers,
- Dan
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Hello, I am doing a school project on Solar power in economics class and I appreciate this site, but I need to cite sources. Who wrote this article?
Hi Bryce. I wrote this article. I mostly dug up information straight from the Washington legislative website. Check their site out by clicking on one of the above bills that passed.
I would like to put up the pvc solar on my house to tie into the grid. But I don’t see the economics. The cost is too hight and pay back time to long! Even for a place like Yakima, Wa. with 300 days of sun. Maybe I’m wrong but thats how I see it. Thanks Dennis
Thanks
This is all quite interesting. Having lived in Omaha since 1991 and now in Washington State. I use to EF&I hot water and hot air systems for living. I did great until the tax credits went away. If my memory serves me correctly the state offered 30% tax deduction and the feds were 40%. The systems worked great and people were extremely pleased of their purchase.
So why is it so difficult to move the tax incentives forward and start the building process?
Be Cool, Rhino
I’ve been looking for Solar Panel installer classes for WA cert. I’ve been unable to find one. I’m looking for a way to get into the field but so far no real luck except “send me your money and we’ll get you certified.” I’ve rebuilt @15 houses in my “spare” time- but I’ve owned them all- so no contractors licence. Thoughts?
Can you give some details on the feed in tariff for WA state ? Is there any cap on producing electricity or getting money ? Can I install on open field and generate profit out of it ?
I’m looking for info. on where I can get training to work in a solar panel manyfacturing plant. Any help would be greatly appreciated:
Outriderchris@hotmail,com
Howdy,
I wanted to thank you for your site. It is cool to see others working towards a green future in our EverGreen State… you would think with a name like the EverGreen State we should be the leaders in green energy production! Let’s hope with the future and more folks being aware and taking action that we can change that!
I do also have a question: Do you know of any cities or counties offering incentives for residential PV systems?
Are there companies that manufacture inverters now in WA.?
Ken,
Thanks for asking the 3¢ question!
As far as I know Outback is the only major inverter company in Washington state. They have a manufacturing facility in Arlington, WA.
Two more questions ![]()
Could you define “community”? We have a large homeowners association where I live that includes an office, maintainence team, marina, etc. Would the association qualify for a community incentive if they used the power for say the office?
Second question relates to the incentives. The way I read it, the incentive is for the gross power produced, not jsut the net metering. If so, does the total get added to the billing credit, or is the incentive sent as a check if it exceeds the billable amount?
Great questions Ken
1. WA Senate Bill 6170(passed 7/1/09) defines community solar as solar energy systems owned by local entities and placed on local government property or owned by utilities and funded voluntarily by utility ratepayers.
I recently heard that the legislation is being rewritten due to a lot of confusing language.
2. Your reading is correct. the incentive is for the gross *energy* (in kWh) produced. A second, dedicated, production meter is installed on a grid-tied system. The utility reads that meter, and once a year, they send you a check for your production.
As I understand it, net metering arrangements are separate from production incentive payments. Ask your local installer.
My wife and I are seniors with fixed incomes, we are new to the srate and want to build our home as green as possible, are there any educational resources on solar in our area (Goldendale, WA)?
Christian,
I’m not sure about educational resources on solar in the Goldendale area specifically. But I highly recommend John Schaeffer’s Solar Living Sourcebook as an excellent general reference for anyone interested in building their home as green as possible. Also, Chris Herman at winter sun design ( http://www.wintersundesign.com/ ) is a good green building consultant that I know of in the Seattle area. I think he works throughout the state.
I live in Goldendale WA. We live off the grid. Power cost to much to run to our residents. We have two 165 watt solar pannels and a Air X 400 watt working now. We also have a Whisper 200 we want to install. Where can we get help to finish installing our system, It seems most information is for grid tried systems only. Got any ideas. Thank you
Norma Geane,
As I already mentioned. I don’t know of any contractors right in Goldendale. You might check renewableenergyworld.com for greenerGetic individuals with reliable transportation in the Portland area.
This has got to be the best Solar info site I have been to. Answers a lot of questions and gives good valuable info. For someone like I who is going to install their own system, this is a must or for the owner that is contracting out.
Thanks again
(Centerville WA)
I think being paid for creating surplus energy is a great idea. It should encourage more people to try alternative means for obtaining their energy requirements.
To Quote you back at you…..
“But Whoa, Not So Fast!
Well Sam, I’m here to say, 1) not so fast and 2) who are you crapping? “….
What you presented was NOT an original quote from Erik Paulson, as you suggest, so keep your facts and your flaming separated.
It was a Quote from Denis Hayes (founder of Earth Day, second director of NREL, and head of the Bullit Foundation. It was an article in SolarBuzz (a factual source of solar information, not a personal screed) and it was back in 2006. A lot of water under the bridge since then. Nowhere in America did we have anything resembling a feed-in tariff. THIS WAS THE FIRST OF ITS KIND IN THE US. The reality is that Erik was the prime sponsor of the bill and the prime sponsor of the second net metering bill in the nation. No wonder solar is so slow to advance when we crap on anyone that takes a lead. Maybe you should edit out old personal attacks and work with facts.
The tax credit is awesome. I think that it will become standard to have eco friendly water heaters. Its just a matter of getting the crowd moving towards that. What better to do it than to pay them ?
In reference to Ken’s Question:
Are there companies that manufacture inverters now in WA.?
Just recently, Silicon Energy released a 5kW strictly grid-tied inverter. These inverters significantly lower the upfront cost of installing a grid-tied solar electric system. The inverters also have the unique feature of having 2 separate inputs for MPPT tracking. That means you can have two strings at different orientations/and or pitches.
Outback Power also has a grid-tied with battery back-up inverter but the cost is quite a bit higher.
Has anybody installed a system on a tracker to take maximum advantage of the WA production incentive?
I have solar on my house in Olympia. It is worth it! While, I didn’t do it for the money, that is nice. It is preforming better than we expected. South Sound Solar was who we went through and we were really happy. It was an investment, but we would have done it without the payback. I think the idea of payback is actaully hurting the green movement. My house doesn’t pay me back. My car doesn’t pay me back. My clothes, kitchen, tv…nothing pays you back like a solar system. So people hear about the “10 years to get your money back” it’s a turn off. It shouldn’t be about the money.
Amy,
You are absolutely correct! It shouldn’t be about “payback”. However many people make “sense” of solar on their roofs simply by looking at the dollars they’ll recoup down the road. It’s about the environment, it’s about sending a positive message to future generations, it’s about being responsible, it’s about conserving energy, it’s about contributing to a clean, growing, vibrant economy. A lot of people who go solar don’t think hard and clearly about all these things until they actually see the panels up on their own roofs and reflect on the warm fuzzy feeling about doing something RIGHT.
It is a wonderful thing that people are taking Solar and wind power into their own hand for personal use and contribution to the grid. Although starting out just providing for your own home is a great thing, it could be so much better if you were making more to put into the grid. Some states like Nevada have now made it illegal for HOA’s to say no to Solar packages being put up by individuals. The power company also buys the extra power produced with no hassle. My folks just put in a 10 kw system costing $52K. The state and other incentives knocked that down to a $23K. As for that extra power that is made. Somewhere across the USA they need it. What a wonderful thing it could be if different areas of the country could be helping each other in a total grid system. Let’s hope Washington DC pushes regulations that say all extra will be bought up from individual producers to help us all out.
Anybody know anything about local Washington companies that manufacture or design such products, solar panels, controllers, inverters and the like?
Hi Ian,
Silicon Energy in Marysville produces panels and an approved inverter. Another inverter manufacturer is Outback.
1,Does anyone have any experience:
*with PV or tube panels mounted on a metal roof? Such as:
*difficulty for washing the slippery, steep roof?
*who can give me recommendations/warnings about installers from actual installed metal roofs(no sales people, please)
2. After the jolly sales person comes out to the site, what it the common cost for an actual bid?
3. How steep does a roof in Seattle need to be to take the problem of heavy snow accumulation out of consideration?
4. Any bonded contractors to recommend who have managed coordination between roof and solar panel installers?
What is the smallest kW system that qualifies for the Washington State incentive.
Getting the whole project completed needs the assistance of professionals. I welcome the availability of and funding for installation. By the way are there any panel producers in WA?
we had a 4.2 kw PV system installed on our roof in Yakima; Jared of Yakima Solar lives about 2 miles from us in Yakima and installed the system; the Washington made panels combined with the rate increases of Pacific Power mean we’ll have the price of the system paid back in 8 years. We’re running 100 kwh over predicted for April and the days are only getting longer. We’re adding solar water this Spring and the combo will cut our grid use by 50-60%
The PROBLEM with enforcing solar energy in washington is you are literally betting on the kid with the compound fracture to win the race. Washington state west of the mountains averages only 3.65 (average over a year) full hour of full sunlight a day. This include cloudy days in which your solar panel is a little less than 80% effective. This makes your god forsakenly expensive system just above worthless. So they are focusing East of the Cascade obviously and that is a minority of the population. So why are we not focusing on macro hydro electric. There are systems with a minimal foot print of effect. So why are we betting on that kid again? This subsidy needs to be split so the money won’t be wasted and help susidize these systems that can make a major difference with minimal long range transmission losses, which average around 6% for long range transmission.
Thanks , I have just been looking for info about this subject for a long time and yours is the greatest I’ve found out so far. But, what in regards to the bottom line? Are you certain in regards to the source?|What i do not realize is in fact how you are no longer actually much more smartly-appreciated than you might be right now. You are very intelligent.
I have a 5000 sqft flat roof commercial building. I was wonering how realistic it would be to cover the roof w/ PV, power the building (office and warehouse) and sell excess power back to the utility (seattle city light). I notice the energy credit is annual and has a limit. The utility gets to keep the extra power generated, past this credit. Monopoly on electrical power generation ?
With regards to Washington’s lack of a tax credit, to be fair, Washington State doesn’t have any income tax so there wouldn’t be any tax credits to give. The sales tax exemption is the best equivalent you could do in the state, and at over 9%, is significant.
Oh, and as far as the cheap electricity, almost 90% of Seattle’s electricity comes from Hydroelectric (See http://www.seattle.gov/light/FuelMix/ ). That’s why it is so cheap (and non-fossil fuel powered, for the most part). Unfortunately, the story isn’t all good, as the hydroelectric dams have a pretty harsh impact on fish. There are things being done to mitigate the impact, but it is still only so good.
Thanks Casey! That’s very helpful info we’ve incorporated into the page!
In your financial analysis, you calculate the Washington Power production payment before applying the federal tax credit. This would be correct if it was an additional rebate. it is not. and the State Department of Revenue will not file the transaction with the IRS. The 30 percent tax credit is applied to the full cost of the system. It will alter your calculations significantly
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