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		<title>By: <img class="identicon" src="http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=c9325cb7d741d943f553d380c9d920fe&#38;size=25&#38;default=http://solarpowerrocks.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-identicon/identicon/63c23637e8f22d7.png" alt="martin Identicon Icon" height="25" width="25" /> martin</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 02:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Often times, installers want to install the system that is most profitable to them instead of the most dependable, ...&quot; Absolutely. Specifically, if string inverters, suggest a relative high V(oc) design based on the lowest ambient temperature in accordance with NEC 690.7, and factors of degradation over time, and other things.

Besides, code compliant, the size of the conductors, sized for cost or sized for energy with distance as a factor - voltage drop -&gt; power loss. If residential, if string inverters most may use #10 AWG on the DC side ~&lt;2%-3%. With micro-inverters conductors sized on the AC side at ~1%.

Solar Power = Current * Voltage.
Solar Energy = Power * Time.

The primary source of current would be sunlight.

&quot;You’re paying for expertise as well as the value of your own time.&quot; Correct. If you empower an individual with maximum empower, the solar energy system prevails with a not only with the sunlight tranformity to energy, but the embodied energy to complete the project ~ $6/Watt?

Solar Emergy = Empower * Time

&quot;We love consumers to be educated&quot;  Over time, consumers would explicate the meaning of solar energy systems as prosumers at a mean size of ~4kW. Average available roof or ground area code compliant to NEC 690.64(B) ~20 amps for current. Since the first time using solar energy for most, knowledge would be a factor of time. In time, the wisdom to use renewables as knowledge plus experience, results in one thing - an epiphany - climate change @ ~387.27 ppm

An epiphany, equal to a greater impact than mother nature * father time combined. &quot;Listen to advice and accept instruction, that you may gain wisdom in the future.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Often times, installers want to install the system that is most profitable to them instead of the most dependable, &#8230;&#8221; Absolutely. Specifically, if string inverters, suggest a relative high V(oc) design based on the lowest ambient temperature in accordance with NEC 690.7, and factors of degradation over time, and other things.</p>
<p>Besides, code compliant, the size of the conductors, sized for cost or sized for energy with distance as a factor &#8211; voltage drop -&gt; power loss. If residential, if string inverters most may use #10 AWG on the DC side ~&lt;2%-3%. With micro-inverters conductors sized on the AC side at ~1%.</p>
<p>Solar Power = Current * Voltage.<br />
Solar Energy = Power * Time.</p>
<p>The primary source of current would be sunlight.</p>
<p>&quot;You’re paying for expertise as well as the value of your own time.&quot; Correct. If you empower an individual with maximum empower, the solar energy system prevails with a not only with the sunlight tranformity to energy, but the embodied energy to complete the project ~ $6/Watt?</p>
<p>Solar Emergy = Empower * Time</p>
<p>&quot;We love consumers to be educated&quot;  Over time, consumers would explicate the meaning of solar energy systems as prosumers at a mean size of ~4kW. Average available roof or ground area code compliant to NEC 690.64(B) ~20 amps for current. Since the first time using solar energy for most, knowledge would be a factor of time. In time, the wisdom to use renewables as knowledge plus experience, results in one thing &#8211; an epiphany &#8211; climate change @ ~387.27 ppm</p>
<p>An epiphany, equal to a greater impact than mother nature * father time combined. &quot;Listen to advice and accept instruction, that you may gain wisdom in the future.&quot;</p>
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		<title>By: <img class="identicon" src="http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=3af5bce55e71d41ccf30cd866fdf8cf6&#38;size=25&#38;default=http://solarpowerrocks.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-identicon/identicon/18b516f535e204e.png" alt="Tor a.k.a. &#34;Solar Fred&#34; Identicon Icon" height="25" width="25" /> Tor a.k.a. &#34;Solar Fred&#34;</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan, thanks for your comments.

We love consumers to be educated. That&#039;s one of the main reasons why we&#039;re here. On topic, however, these home made DIY solar panel kits aren&#039;t worth a Twinkie. Not even a half a Twinkie. There are real DIY kits that some companies offer, however, but these are composed of manufactured solar panels and components. They are safe, but if you want net metering and all of the other incentives that go with solar, it&#039;s going to be a lot of extra time and work. I think that&#039;s the value in professional installers. You&#039;re paying for expertise as well as the value of your own time.

Thanks for commenting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan, thanks for your comments.</p>
<p>We love consumers to be educated. That&#8217;s one of the main reasons why we&#8217;re here. On topic, however, these home made DIY solar panel kits aren&#8217;t worth a Twinkie. Not even a half a Twinkie. There are real DIY kits that some companies offer, however, but these are composed of manufactured solar panels and components. They are safe, but if you want net metering and all of the other incentives that go with solar, it&#8217;s going to be a lot of extra time and work. I think that&#8217;s the value in professional installers. You&#8217;re paying for expertise as well as the value of your own time.</p>
<p>Thanks for commenting.</p>
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		<title>By: <img class="identicon" src="http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=8f0dc7799f5e7695948a4a7496a644f0&#38;size=25&#38;default=http://solarpowerrocks.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-identicon/identicon/26d242cfe57bf1d.png" alt="Jonathan Cole Identicon Icon" height="25" width="25" /> Jonathan Cole</title>
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		<dc:creator><img class="identicon" src="http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=8f0dc7799f5e7695948a4a7496a644f0&#38;size=25&#38;default=http://solarpowerrocks.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-identicon/identicon/26d242cfe57bf1d.png" alt="Jonathan Cole Identicon Icon" height="25" width="25" /> Jonathan Cole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While it is a fact that professionals have the experience to install equipment safely, sometimes that is not enough. Often times, installers want to install the system that is most profitable to them instead of the most dependable, maintainable and cost-effective for the end-user. That is why education of the home-owner is indispensable to make sure no design issues are overlooked. That&#039;s why as a researcher/author with 27 years of solar experience, I wrote the book for homeowners to be used in conjunction with their installer/contractor. It is called Light on the Earth: The Solar Option and is available on Amazon.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While it is a fact that professionals have the experience to install equipment safely, sometimes that is not enough. Often times, installers want to install the system that is most profitable to them instead of the most dependable, maintainable and cost-effective for the end-user. That is why education of the home-owner is indispensable to make sure no design issues are overlooked. That&#8217;s why as a researcher/author with 27 years of solar experience, I wrote the book for homeowners to be used in conjunction with their installer/contractor. It is called Light on the Earth: The Solar Option and is available on Amazon.com.</p>
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		<title>By: <img class="identicon" src="http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=b894888cedd800aa92fc9e200f9eb376&#38;size=25&#38;default=http://solarpowerrocks.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-identicon/identicon/6c26b601ba4cb74.png" alt="PVAddict Identicon Icon" height="25" width="25" /> PVAddict</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 05:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With your permission, I&#039;d like to print this out for my PV overview class as a handout.  Let me know what I need to do so you get proper credit.  Well-written and to-the-point, can&#039;t beat it.  THANK YOU.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With your permission, I&#8217;d like to print this out for my PV overview class as a handout.  Let me know what I need to do so you get proper credit.  Well-written and to-the-point, can&#8217;t beat it.  THANK YOU.</p>
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		<title>By: <img class="identicon" src="http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=c9325cb7d741d943f553d380c9d920fe&#38;size=25&#38;default=http://solarpowerrocks.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-identicon/identicon/63c23637e8f22d7.png" alt="martin Identicon Icon" height="25" width="25" /> martin</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Do-it-Yourself” (DIY) systems ... what do you think?

http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&amp;cf=all&amp;ned=us&amp;hl=en&amp;q=Andalay+DIY</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Do-it-Yourself” (DIY) systems &#8230; what do you think?</p>
<p><a href="http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&amp;cf=all&amp;ned=us&amp;hl=en&amp;q=Andalay+DIY" rel="nofollow">http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&amp;cf=all&amp;ned=us&amp;hl=en&amp;q=Andalay+DIY</a></p>
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		<title>By: <img class="identicon" src="http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=3af5bce55e71d41ccf30cd866fdf8cf6&#38;size=25&#38;default=http://solarpowerrocks.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-identicon/identicon/18b516f535e204e.png" alt="Tor a.k.a. &#34;Solar Fred&#34; Identicon Icon" height="25" width="25" /> Tor a.k.a. &#34;Solar Fred&#34;</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 04:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with you Cristof. I never follow DIY solar panel hawkers on Twitter, but I do allow them to follow me and perhaps pass on real solar info.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you Cristof. I never follow DIY solar panel hawkers on Twitter, but I do allow them to follow me and perhaps pass on real solar info.</p>
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		<title>By: <img class="identicon" src="http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=c9325cb7d741d943f553d380c9d920fe&#38;size=25&#38;default=http://solarpowerrocks.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-identicon/identicon/63c23637e8f22d7.png" alt="martin Identicon Icon" height="25" width="25" /> martin</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 23:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not all do it &#039;yourself&#039; (DIY) solar would be bad ... with differentiation between modules and systems.  Specifically for classroom, safety training, ...

It&#039;s at the point of connection NEC 690.64 - that&#039;s the issue :)

&quot;Get &#039;yourself&#039; quotes from solar installation companies!&quot;

http://www.solarpowerrocks.com/solar-group-purchasing/

There are various articles http://www.solarpowerrocks.com/ with regards to the use of licensed contractors to do it &#039;right&#039; (DIR)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not all do it &#8216;yourself&#8217; (DIY) solar would be bad &#8230; with differentiation between modules and systems.  Specifically for classroom, safety training, &#8230;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s at the point of connection NEC 690.64 &#8211; that&#8217;s the issue <img src='http://solarpowerrocks.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&#8220;Get &#8216;yourself&#8217; quotes from solar installation companies!&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.solarpowerrocks.com/solar-group-purchasing/" rel="nofollow">http://www.solarpowerrocks.com/solar-group-purchasing/</a></p>
<p>There are various articles <a href="http://www.solarpowerrocks.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.solarpowerrocks.com/</a> with regards to the use of licensed contractors to do it &#8216;right&#8217; (DIR)?</p>
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		<title>By: <img class="identicon" src="http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=f3f540c62de6358f61c744e0b87e41f5&#38;size=25&#38;default=http://solarpowerrocks.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-identicon/identicon/39383427fab97b3.png" alt="Christof Identicon Icon" height="25" width="25" /> Christof</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 22:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gets to the point -- and quickly. Thanks for this. On a side-note, I find the links some people put up on their Twitter pages as, allegedly, their home page link, but which point to DIY solar sites, really irritating. I never follow someone who does that..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gets to the point &#8212; and quickly. Thanks for this. On a side-note, I find the links some people put up on their Twitter pages as, allegedly, their home page link, but which point to DIY solar sites, really irritating. I never follow someone who does that..</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 17:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam, exactly. Including proper system grounded and equipment grounding conductors of NEC Chapters 1, 2, 3, and 4.

In addition, not only UL 1703, but UL 790, ... also consider IEC 61215, ...

The substantial issue is current which is directly proportional to sunlight. As a result, body currents greater than ~0.1 to 1.0 A may result in ventricular fibrillation - dangerous - depending on the time of day, azimuth, tilt and the duration of the shock.

Not only parallel is an issue, but series to increased voltage. Not only practical safeguarding would be a requirement, but also PPE - Personal Protective Equipment.

The issue is not only NEC, but NFPA 70E, and safety training. Suggest the NJATC National Joint Apprenticeship and Training Committee as a resource for additional information.

A qualified person is &#039;one who has skills and knowledge related to the construction and operation of the electrical equipment and installations and has received safety training to recognize and avoid the hazards involved.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam, exactly. Including proper system grounded and equipment grounding conductors of NEC Chapters 1, 2, 3, and 4.</p>
<p>In addition, not only UL 1703, but UL 790, &#8230; also consider IEC 61215, &#8230;</p>
<p>The substantial issue is current which is directly proportional to sunlight. As a result, body currents greater than ~0.1 to 1.0 A may result in ventricular fibrillation &#8211; dangerous &#8211; depending on the time of day, azimuth, tilt and the duration of the shock.</p>
<p>Not only parallel is an issue, but series to increased voltage. Not only practical safeguarding would be a requirement, but also PPE &#8211; Personal Protective Equipment.</p>
<p>The issue is not only NEC, but NFPA 70E, and safety training. Suggest the NJATC National Joint Apprenticeship and Training Committee as a resource for additional information.</p>
<p>A qualified person is &#8216;one who has skills and knowledge related to the construction and operation of the electrical equipment and installations and has received safety training to recognize and avoid the hazards involved.&#8217;</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 00:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ask your local installer what the number 690 means to them</description>
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